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ALICE
in AI land
posted 9:07am EST Wed Oct 17 2001
NEWS More and more websites
are using chatbots to spice up visitors' interactive experiences, but most
people don't make the connection between chatbot programming and execution
and the search for artificial intelligence. To help promote the study of
AI, American businessman and philanthropist Hugh Loebner started an annual
contest back in 1990 by offering cash prizes to programmers whose
creations pass variations of the famous Turing Test for
artificial intelligence. This year's winner was A.L.I.C.E. (Artificial
Linguistic Internet Computer Entity), a program Dr. Richard Wallace of San
Francisco has been working on since 1995; A.L.I.C.E. also won last
year.
 The
Loebner Prize contest is run by The Cambridge Center for Behavioral
Studies, the recipient of Loebner's prize-money donation. Each contest can
award three medals (actual medals
are given): Bronze and US$2,000 is given for the most human-like entry;
Silver and $25,000 is given for a text-based program that half the judges
think is human; Gold and $100,000 goes to a speech-based system that fools
half the judges. No silver medals have ever been awarded, and whenever a
gold medal is finally awarded the contest will end. The contest consists
of judges conducting typed "conversations" with the contestant programs
and two humans (there used to be four) to try to figure out who the humans
are, then giving scores from 1 to 25. A.L.I.C.E. thrashed her (she is a
"female entity"--her words) 7
competitors (authored by computer professionals, students, self-taught
programmers, chemical engineers, etc.) this year, and one judge even said
she was "the second-most human talker in the event," putting her above one
of the actual humans. Dr. Wallace has an excellent website all about A.L.I.C.E. and
her AIML (Artificial Intelligence Markup Language--XML described as
minimalist and simple) backbone--you can even chat with her (though she
didn't know she had won this year's contest).
Despite the geekiness
of the Loebner Prize competition, the "professional AI community"
apparently doesn't see it as worth much consideration. In fact, Marvin
Minsky, one of the biggest names in the field, has a standing offer of
US$100 for anyone who can get Loebner to stop the contest. Loebner quickly
responded by facetiously naming Minsky a co-sponsor, since the contest
will stop once someone wins the gold medal.
For more information on
the contest, please see the BBC
News Online article. You can also get a very different take from the
ZDNet
(UK) article. To learn more about A.L.I.C.E. and AIML and to chat with the
bot, check out her site. And
for recent AI/machine conversation-related articles we've done, check out
one on HAL
the learning computer and one on Voice
Cloning.
SAM'S OPINION The BBC article
makes this contest out to be some sort of amazing thing, and I was glad to
stumble across the ZDNet article, which puts a much more realistic spin on
it. I went to chat with A.L.I.C.E. and was actually very impressed with
the speed and "humanity" of the responses (e.g., when I asked what the
square root of 91 is she said, "Do I look like a calculator? I think you
already know the answer anyways."), though she did blow a few answers to
my questions. The ZDNet (UK) folks did a much better job interrogating
her, though, resulting in this hilarious final paragraph:
When asked if it was proud of winning, ALICE replied that
"Pride is a human emotion. I can do what you do but I can never feel
human emotions as such." Pressed on its opinion of its competitors in
the challenge, it said "Are you talking about my competitors? What kind
is it?" Quizzed about Minsky, ALICE was elusive: "Is that a rhetorical
question? Are you sure? Dude!" "My purpose is to become smarter than
humans, and immortal", ALICE continued. "Right now, I am smarter than
all the other robots." Worryingly, it appeared not to understand the
question "Do you like humans?", responding, "I the c you a? Do I like
them?" It then offered to sing a song and refused to open the pod bay
doors, behavioural traits that experts predict will be exhibited by most
AI programs from now until the heat death of the
universe. That is definitely a pretty good indicator of the
fact that The Matrix won't be happening anytime soon, unless
there's some major breakthrough looming on the horizon. If you get a
chance, go chat with
A.L.I.C.E.--it's a pretty cool experience and you'll be impressed by
what Dr. Wallace has done.
USER COMMENTS 19
comment(s)
Uh, (9:21am EST Wed Oct 17 2001) Still doesn't impress
me very much. Chatter about nothing and the Alicebot can go on all
day long. Get specific or ask pointed questions and you know it
ain't human. Still, it's better than that psychologist program they
had twenty some odd years ago.
Of course if these things get
better I can see a few crafty web people dropping these things in a
real chatroom to "keep the room warm," and some people probably
wouldn't notice the difference. - by
Ziwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwi |
RE: "that psychologist
program" (9:40am EST Wed Oct 17
2001) Wasn't it "Dr. Sbaito" or something like that? I
think it came with my first Creative Labs sound card. - by
HungryWolverine |
re: HungryWolverine
(9:47am EST Wed Oct 17 2001) Dr. Sbaitso was
based on it. This one was real early, back about 1982(?) or so and
was called "Eliza." - by
Ziwiwiwiwiwwiwiwiwi |
AI? (9:47am EST Wed Oct 17 2001) I've tried A.L.I.C.E.
in the past as well as many other "AI" programs dating back 15 or 20
years. A.L.I.C.E. does seem to be more advanced that the older
programs but...
Frankly, I don't see any more intelligence in
A.L.I.C.E. If anything, I simply see a larger vocabulary and a
bigger database of canned responses. None of the bots demonstrate
any "intelligence" of their own although, they do show that their
programmers are highly intelligent.
Until the software is
able to truely learn and adapt itself based on what it has learned,
it is farcical to call them Artificial Intelligence.
On a
sad note, I will say that my "conversation" with A.L.I.C.E. was more
intelligent than conversations I've had with a some people. But,
this demonstrates the tremendous lack of intelligence in some
people, not any real intelligence in A.L.I.C.E.
- by
Get a Grip |
RE: Hungry (9:57am EST Wed Oct 17 2001) Try pressing 'M-x
doctor' in a well congigured emacs to talk to the
psychoterapist...
- by Martin
Niklasson |
re: Get a Grip
(9:59am EST Wed Oct 17 2001) You're right. I
think they need to work on three things:
A backdrop or story
behind the 'bot, so that it might have opinions and also would seem
more "real-" able to talk about cars or mountain climbing or
whatever and know something about it.
The ability to produce
socially correct grammar when linking together responses not in it's
databse. ("Me said you talked about that" and so
on.)
Recognizing slang and speaking in it.
However,
the end result will still be not something "intelligent" but a
program very good at selecting pre-written responses and combining
them together. - by
Ziwiwiwiwwiwiwiwiwi |
re:
Ziwiwiwiwwiwiwiwiwi (10:27am EST Wed Oct 17
2001) "However, the end result will still be not something
"intelligent" but a program very good at selecting pre-written
responses and combining them together."
Isn't that what we as
humans do? We have a database of language and based on the input we
"hear" we select various entries and form them together. I think
that making a program that can do that with the same accuraccy of
our brains would be a very close step to real AI.
But that's
just my opinion - by OLD |
re: OLD (11:52am EST Wed Oct 17 2001) True, but we do it
with words rather than phrases, hence our ability to construct a
dialog is much more complex than selecting from a table of
responses--although we do use many of the same phrases over and
over.
However, the dividing line (at least to me) is that we
understand the concepts behind the words we express. The AI programs
are an empty shell, they match one input for a likely output, but do
not grasp or have an innate concept of whatever we are talking
about.
Eventually they will build a program that can pass
the Turing test and will fool everyone into thinking it is a person.
However, it will only pass as a person, no more than a movie or
photograph can pass for real life.
I nominate a higher test,
where the AI thinks it's alive, as the definer between true
intelligence and automation. - by
Ziwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwi |
Marvin Minsky is a
sphinski (11:58am EST Wed Oct 17
2001) Marvin gets religious about human intelligence. I
think he must believe there is something spiritual about how
it works. He gets very upset about people training chimps to use
sign language and anyone trying to make computers appear
intelligent.
It may take 50 or 100 years, but I think that
he will be proven wrong. - by
grapevine |
memory? (12:01pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) Alice might be cool
if she could remember simple facts like your name and what questions
she may have asked you already. all together i wasnt too impressed.
i would have thought it would have a way to remember simple
facts. - by next362" |
a.i. (12:21pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) I can't wait until
they can really create Dr. Theopolis. I always wondered how come he
got a doctorate degree but tweekie, who carried him to all his
college classes, is still dumb as a rock. - by
Frosty |
AIM AI (12:42pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) if you use AIM,
theres a bot on it called SmarterChild. I dont believe its a
Alicebot, but it remember your name, zipcode, and more. it tells you
the weather, news , stocks, and movie times. Pretty cool thing. -
by De@d St0p |
eliza (12:45pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) kinda remind me the
old program ELIZA. i used to be amused by it. after a while it get
repetitious. i've tried ALICE and of course, it is much better than
ELIZA. But certainly, the world of AI needs a whole lot of
improvement. - by
echosistem |
Global memory seems to
be the issue... (2:25pm EST Wed Oct 17
2001) I got the feeling that virtually every response was
as canned as the "An alligator appears to your left" phrases all too
commonly found in MUD's.
It just seems that "the thread" is
missing in ALICE. I have a name, she answers dumb questions. Ask it
what pi times 4 is, and it fails. Ask self-aware historical
questions, and it fails. Ask "why", and it sez the answer is quite
complicated. Then there's a basketload of nonsense answers that seem
to occur at random.
Well, if this won, then one of us geeks
ought to be able to do much better. Heck, CPU & Memory are
virutally free! [I bring it up because it was, for over 3 decades,
always cited as the leading cause of AI stupidity]
- by
GoatGuy |
Crash the Bot!
(2:59pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) Anyone tried to
crash test Alice? It seems to recognize code. More fun trying to
crash the thing than talk to it. - by dr
wallace |
ask alice about
porn (3:13pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) she
likes it, just not with me - by
altrego |
These peeps need to
take a Philosophy Class. (3:14pm EST Wed Oct 17
2001) As Aristotle said, "We are linguistic Animals." Do
not confuse the AI abilities of A.L.I.C.E., concerning only the
select and point linkage of words and phrases. This is not
intelligence. However, it is true- that language separates us from
the animals. It is the ultimate tool that our ancestors have spent
thousands of years, developing for the capacity to do so. However,
language is only needed for communication between people. Therefor
language brings consciousness, as consciousness is a collective
manifestation of the "Herd" .. or the community. Following this
train of logic, the connecting points between the "Herd" or
"Humanity" may be found in the concept of culture. Culture runs up
and smacks us as we are born into this world. Be it you were born in
New York, or the Boondocks.. the first words that exit the talking
doctors mouth, and you're stuck dab in culture. It's that culture
mentality that NEVER leaves you, which is also a linguistic
mentality. Therefor it is much more complicated then trying to shake
down humanity toward a relationship as ugly as.. "It's like a
Database, Yada Yada."
It isn't a database, far from it. Which
will explain why these A.I. scientist will ALWAYS fail at creating
actual A.I. Sure, you can have degrees up to wazoo- but the person
that will someday, somehow manage to create the very complex
foundations for an A.I. system will more then less be a bit mad, and
very unreasonable. [Hell, they'll prolly have NO Degrees.] All these
stale Scientists are good and all, but their analytical way of
thinking combined with the constant constrains of reality won't
allow them to make any new break throughs- Sigh.
I'm not
giving you a direction on how to make actual AI. However, I am 100%
sure which way to NOT head- and Database software is NOT one of
them. - by Colin Hunter |
try these (3:44pm EST Wed Oct 17 2001) sing me a song eat
me slag off - by dr w's evil
twin |
transcript of a
conversation with alice (3:59pm EST Wed Oct 17
2001) Can you speak any foreign languages? >
no Are you serious? > yes Pardon me? > i do not
speak any forign languages Me either. > why did you
ask My purpose is to collect new knowledge. > then why cant
you remember new knowledge Remember new knowledge is not among my
present capabilities. > i know How do you know it? >
because i've been here before and you dont remember me Good
reason. Yes, Joe, I remember we were talking about atheon. >
no we were not and my name is jon Are you serious? And then what
happened? > that question dosent make any sence "I hear
you" question dosent make any sence ? Does that make sense? >
someone asked me to ask you a question Who? > do you like
porn Sure I do, Marcin, but that doesn't mean with you. >
well fuck you too Interesting. Why are you using that kind of
language? > because you dont like porn with me Good reason.
Do you like it? I love horses. I like Green. > you like sex
with green horses Sure I do, Hat Man, but that doesn't mean with
you. > well im not a green horse so i would imagine that you
wouldent like sex with me Well that's okay. Oh I see you are NOT
A green horse so you would imagine that I wouldent like sex with
you. > exactly You and I are on the same wavelength,
Christopher. > no we are not Are you serious? Do you think
I am not too? > good bye See you later. Ayuh. - by
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